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Abraham is known to be a Jew but Muslim by Islam.Why?

In the support of their argument that Abraham was a Jew they put forth GENESIS 11:31
and Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Hharan his sons son ,and sarai his daughter in law ,his son Abrams wife ,and they wennt forth from Ur of Chaldees,to go into the land of Cannan;and they came unto Haran and dwelt there
But in the eyes of the Muslims he cannot possibly be a Jew because he was the first one who submitted completely to Allah thus the first MUSLIM ON EARTH IS NOT Mohammad but Abraham. Abraham was born in Ur of Chaldees could not have been Jew. First, because Ur of Chaldees was in Mesopotamia, which is now a part of Iraq. Secondly the name Jew came after the existence of Judah, the great grandson of Abraham.

Why do Muslims stick to "ALLAH" instead of "GOD"?

The name Allah seems to be strange to non-Muslims but name has been used by all Prophets since Adam till Mohammad (PBUH). It is a contraction of the two Arabic words Al-Ilah, i.e. The God .By dropping the letter I one can find the word Allah. According to the position in an Arabic sentence it can have the form Allah which is close to the Hebrew name of the Creator, i.e. Eloha but the Jews are using the wrong plural form Elohim which denotes more than one God. The word Allah sounds closer to the Aramaic word used for God by Jesus, namely Alaha (see Encyclopedia Britannica 1980 under Allah and Elohim). So while the name Allah is strange to non- Muslims, it is not strange to all Prophets from Adam to Mohammad (PBUH), as they propagated in principle the same Islam, i.e. total submission, and the word Allah denotes the personal name of the Supreme Being. It is not subject to plurality or gender, so there is no such thing as Allah, or male or female Allah, as God or Goddess. It is confusing to use the word God as many English-speaking Christians still consider Jesus as God. Even the word Creator is also confusing, as many Christians still maintain that Jesus had created the world.

Present day Bible is not original?

Christians strongly believe that the present day form of the Bible is the original form but they often forget what Luke said about his recording in 1:2 and 3
Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eye witnesses, and ministers of the word; It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus.
It shows that Luke himself was not an eyewitness and god from eyewitnesses and not as words inspired the knowledge he gathered. History has shown that the Bible suffered changes through out the ages. The Revised Standard Version 1952 and 1971, the New American Standard Bible and the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures have expunged certain verses compared with King James Version. Readers Digest has reduced the Old Testament condensed by about twenty five percent. Some years ago Christian theologians wanted to desex Bible.

Does Holy mean that the Bible is free from error?

1) THE WORLD COUNCIL FOR IMAMIAH AFFAIRS:

2) MOSQUE IN GLASGOW WITH IMAM MOHAMMED ASLAM:

3) INVITATION TO ISLAM:

4) MUSLIMS IN WESTERN AUSTRALIA:

Following is a Muslim-Christian dialogue, drawing comparison between the beliefs of the two religions

M. Do you still believe in the trinity?
C. Sure; it is written in the First Epistle of John (5:7and 8): <<For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one>>.

M. Oh, that is in the King James Version, authorized in 1611,and formed the strongest evidence for the Doctrine of the Trinity. But now this part, <<the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one, >>has been expunged in the Revised Standard Version of 1952 and 1971 and in many other Bibles, as it was a gloss that encroached on the Greek text.
I John 5:7 and 8 in the New American Standard Bible reads as follows:
<<And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear witness, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement>>. Also in the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures used by the Jehovahs Witnesses, you will find: <<For there are three witness bearers, the spirit and the water and the blood, and the three are in agreement>>.I can understand if you dont know that this important part has been removed, but I wonder why many ministers and preachers are not aware of this.
The Trinity is not Biblical .The word Trinity is not even in the Bible or Bible dictionaries, was never taught by Jesus and was never mentioned by him. There is no basis or proof in the Bible whatsoever for the acceptance of the Trinity.

C. But in Matthew 28:19 we still find: <<baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit>>. This part is not removed yet; is this not a proof of the Trinit?

M. No. If you mention three persons are sitting or eating together, does it mean that they are forming one person? No. The Council of Nicaea in A.D.325.i.e accepted the formulation of the Trinity by Athanasius, an Egyptian deacon from Alexandria. More than three centuries after Jesus had left. No doubt Roman paganism had influence in this doctrine, the triune god; Sabbath was shifted to Sunday; December 25,which was the birthday of their sun-god Mithra, was introduced as Jesusbirthday, although the bible clearly predicted ad forbade the decoration of Christmas trees in Jeremiah 10:2-5: <<Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold, they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not. They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, enither also is it in them to do well>>.
Because Christianity had deviated a long way from the original teachings of Jesus, Allah then sent as part of His original plan His last Prophet.Muhammad, as revivalist to restore all these changes: the Roman Julian calendar introduced as the Christian era; pork not prohibited; circumcision abolished by Paul (Galatians 5:2): <<Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing>>.
The Holy Quran warns in Surah 5:73: <<Surely they are disbelievers, those who said: Allah is one of the three in a Trinity. But there is none who has the right to be worshiped but one God (i.e. Allah). And if they cease not from what they say, verily a painful torment will befall the disbelievers among them>>.

DO you still believe in the Trinity, which was never taught by Jesus?

C. But God and Jesus are one (John 14:11): <<Believe me that I am I the Father, and the Father in me>>.

M. Read then John 17:21.

C. <<That they [the disciples] all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they may also be one in us>>

M. It is clear here that God and Jesus are one, but also that the disciples are one in Jesus and God. If Jesus is God because he is in God, why are the disciples then not God, as they all are like Jesus also in God? If God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost form one unit of Trinity, then with the disciples included they should form a God unit of fifteen.

C. But Jesus is God according to John 14:9: <<he that hath seen me hath seen the Father>>.

M. See to the context now what is before and after this: (John 14:8): <<Philip saith unto him, Lord shew us the Father, and it suffices us>>. (John 14:9): <<Jesus saith unto him, have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? He that hath seen me hast seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? >>.
So finally Jesus asked Philip how to show the appearance of God to the disciples, which is not possible. You should believe in God by admiring his creation: the sun the moon, all creation, and Jesus himself who was created by God. He said (John 4:25): <<God is a Spirit>>and (John 5:37):<< ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape>>.How can you see a spirit then? What they saw was Jesus and not God. Also Paul said (I Timothy 6:16): <<whom no man hath seen, nor can see >>so what you can see is never God.
Our Holy Quran says (Surah 6:103): <<Vision comprehendeth Him not, but He comprehendeth (all) vision. He is the Subtle, the Aware>>.

C. To be honest, it is difficult to deny what has been taught to us since child-hood.

M. Maybe the following questions will give you a better understanding of the Trinity: What is the Holy Spirit?

C. The Holy Spirit is the Holy Ghost, is also God. We are taught the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Ghost is God. We are not allowed to say Three Gods, but One God.

M. Read Matthew1: 18.

C. <<Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with the child of the Holy Ghost>>.

M. Compare now with Luke 1:26 and 27.

C. <<And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth, To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph of the house of David; and the virgins name was Mary>>.

M. So in the miraculous birth Jesus, Matthew mentioned the Holy Ghost and Luke mentioned the angel Gabriel. What is the Holy Ghost then?

C. The Holy Ghost is then the angel Gabriel.

M. Do you still believe in the Trinity now?

C. The God is God, the Holy Ghost or the Holy Spirit is the angel Gabriel, and Jesus is

M. Let me help you: Jesus is a Prophet, son of Mary.

M. Is Jesus God?

C. Yes.In the Gospel according to John (1:1): <<In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God>>.

M. We have agreed that a Holy Scripture should not contain contradictions. if there are two conflicting verses, then only one can be true; both can never be true or both are wrong.
Jesus is then God according to John 1:1.The how many Gods are there? Two at least. This then is in contradiction with many passages in the Bible: (Deuteronomy 4:39): <<that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else>>;( Deuteronomy 6:4): <<Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord>>;(Isaiah 43:10-11): <<that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour >>;( Isaiah 44:6): <<Thus saith the LordI am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God>>;( Isaiah 45:18): <<For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else>>.

From Isaiah 45:18 alone we can conclude that God alone was the Creator and no one else, not even Jesus, participated in the creation.
See further: Deuteronomy 4:35; Exodus 8:10;II Samuel 7:22; I Kings 8:23; IChronicles 17:20; Psalms 86:8, 89:6 and 113:5; Hosea 13:4; Zechariah 14:9.

C. But these are all in the Old Testament. Do you find it in the New Testament?

M. Sure. Read in Mark 12:29 what Jesus himself said: <<And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord >>.(I Corinthians 8:4): <<we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is none other God but one >>. (I Timothy 2:5): <<For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus >>.Look to the expression <<The man Christ Jesus >>.Now you can either say that John 1:1 is right and all these other verses are wrong, or the reverse.

C. Difficult to judge!

M. Let us see it from Quranic point of view, ad this corresponds with what Jesus himself said in the Bible. Jesus is mentioned several times in the Quran as a Word from Allah. In Surah 3:39: <<Then the angels called to him [Zechariah] while he was standing in prayer in the chamber (saying): Allah gives you glad tidings of John [i.e. the Baptist] believing in a Word from Allah [i.e. Jesus, son of Mary], noble, keeping away from sexual relations with women, a prophet, and one of the righteous>>.
In the same Surah 3, again mentioned in verse 45: <<[Remember] when the angels said: <<O Mary! Verily Allah gives you the glad tidings of a World from Him, his name will be Messiah Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the Hereafter, and of those who are near to Allah>>.In both verses of the Holy Quran Jesus Jesus is also called a Word from Allah, i.e. a Word coming from Allah or belonging to Allah, in correspondence with I Corinthians 3:23: <<And ye are Christs; and Christ is Gods >>.John 1:1 should also have been written: << and the Word was Gods >>.The mistake could have been in the translation from Aramaic to Greek, deliberately or not. In the Greek language Theos is God, but Theou means Gods (see Greek dictionary, Greek Bible, or Muhammad in the Bible by Prof.Abdu L-Ahad Dawud, former Bishop of Uramiah, page 16).A difference of only one letter but big consequences.

C. Why is Jesus called the Word of God in both the Scriptures?

M. The creation of Jesus in the womb of Mary was without the agency of a sperm, just only with the decree of Allah: <<Be>>, as mentioned in the same Surah 3:47: <<She [Mary] said; O, my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man has touched me. He said: So [it will be], for Allah creates what He will. When He was decreed something, He says to it only<<Be>> and it is>>

C. Jesus is God because he is filled with the Holy Spirit.


M. Why dont you consider other people divine who are also filled with the Holy Ghost? (Acts 11:24): <<For he [Barnabas] was a good man, and full of the Holy Ghost and of faith; and much people was added unto the Lord>>. (Acts 5:32): <<And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him>>.
See further Acts 6:5: II Peter 1:21; II Timothy 1:14; I Corinthians 2:16; Luke 1:41.

C. But Jesus was filled with the Holy Ghost while he was still in his mothers womb.

M. The same was true with John the Baptist (Luke 1:13, 15): <<But the angel said unto him, Fear not; Zacharias: for the prayer is heard; and thy wife Elizabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. For he shall be great in the sight of the lord, and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mothers womb>>.

C. But Jesus could do miracles. He fed five thousand people with only five loaves and two fishes.

M. The same was done by Elisha and Elijah. Elisha fed a hundred people with twenty barely loaves and a few ears of corn (II King 4:44): << So he set it before them, and then they did eat, and left thereof, according to the word of the Lord>>. Elisha secured the increase of a widows oil and he said to her (II Kings 4:7): <<Go, sell the oil, and pay thy debt, and live thou and thy children of the rest>>.See also I Kings 17:16: <<And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the Lord, which he spake by Elijah>>. Also I Kings 17:6: <<And the ravens brought him [Elijah] bread and flesh in the morning, bread and flesh in the evening; and he drank of the brook>>.

C. But Jesus could heal leprosy.

M. Also Elisha told Naaman who was a leper to wash in the Jordan river (II Kings 5:14): <<The went he [Naaman] down, and dipped himself seven times in Jordan, according to the saying of the man of God [Elisha]: and his flesh ame again like unto a flesh of a little child, and he was clean>>.


C. But Jesus could cause a blind man see again.

M. Also Elisha did (II Kings 6:17): <<And Elisha prayed, and said, Lord, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the Lord opened the eyes of the young man: and he saw>> (II Kings 6:20): <<And it came to pass, when they were come into Sanaria, that Elisha said, Lord open the eyes of these men, that they may see. And the Lord opened their eyes, and they saw; and behold they were in the midst of Samaria>>.
Elisha was also told to cause blindness (II Kings 6:18): <<And when they came down to him, Elisha prayed unto the Lord, and said, Smite this people, I pray thee, with blindness. And he smote them with blindness according to the word of Elisha>>.


C. Jesus, could raise the dead.

M. Compare with Elijah (I Kings 17:22): <<And the Lord heard the voice of Elijah: and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived>>. Compare also with Elisha (II Kings 4:34): <<And he [Elisha] went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth; and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands; and he stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm>>.
Even the dead bones of Elisha could restore a dead body to life by touching only (II Kings 13:21): <<And it came to pass, as they were burying a man, that, behold, they spiced a band of men; and they cast the man into the sepulchre of Elisha: and when the man was let down, and touched the bones of Elisha he revived, and stood up on his feet>>.

C. But Jesus walked upon the water.

M. Moses stretched out his arms over the sea (Exodus 14:22): <<And the children of Israel went into the midst of the sea upon the dry ground; and the waters were a wall unto them on their right hand, and on their left>>.

C. But Jesus could cast out devils.

M. Jesus himself admitted that other people could do it (Matthew 12:27 and Luke 11:19): <<And if I Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore shall they be your judges>>.
Also the disciples could cast out devils as Jesus said (Matthew 7:22): <<Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name: and in thy name have cast out devils? And in thy name done many wonderful works?>>
Even false prophets would do wonders, as prophesied by Jesus himself (Matthew 24:24): <<For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect>>.

C. But Elijah and Elisha did wonders through praying to the Lord.

M. Jesus also did the miracles with the grace of God, as he himself said (John 5:30): <<I can of mine own self do nothing >>and (Luke 11:20): <<But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the Kingdom of God is come upon you>>.
All miracles performed by Jesus had been done by previous prophets, disciples, and even unbelievers. On the other hand, Jesus could do no mighty work where there was unbelief (Mark 6:5,6): <<And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went around about the villages, teaching>>.

C. But Jesus was resurrected three days after he died.



M. We will talk later about his crucifixion because there are so many controversies about it. Ill only say now briefly that it was a gospel of Paul, who ever saw Jesus alive (II Timothy 2:8): <<Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel>>.
The gospel of resurrection in Mark 16:9-20 has also been removed in many Bible.If not removed it is printed in small print or between two brackets and with commentary. See Revised Standard Version, New American Standard Bible and New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures of the Jehovahs Witnesses. Let me ask you one thing: did Jesus ever claim to be God or to say, <<Here am I, your God, and worship me>>?

C. No, but he is God and man.

M. But did he ever claim that?

C. No.

M. Indeed he had prophesied that people will worship him uselessly and will believe in doctrines not made by God but by men (Matthew 15:9): <<But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men>>.
All doctrines of modern Christianity are made by men: the Trinity, Divine Sonship of Jesus, Divinity of Jesus Christ, Original Sin and Atonement. From Jesus own sayings, recorded in the New Testament, it is clear that he never claimed divinity or identity to God: <<I do nothing of myself >> (John 8:28); <<My Father is greater than I>>(John 14:28); <<The Lord our God is one Lord >>(Mark 12:29); <<My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? >>(Mark 15:34); <<Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit>>.(Luke 23:46).
<<But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father >>(Mark 13:32). Jesus was called prophet, teacher from God, His servant, Messiah, and later was escalated to Son of God, and then God Himself.
Let us now use our reason: how can God be born by a mortal one as any other mortal?
Jesus slept while God never sleeps (Psalm 121:4): <<Behold, he that keepeth Israel shall neither slumber nor sleep>>.God should be powerful but how could people spit on him, crucify him as alleged. How could Jesus be God if he worshiped God as any other mortal (Luke 5:16): <<And he withdrew himself into the wilderness, and prayed>>.
Jesus was tempted by Satan for forty days (Luke 1:1-13) but in James 1:13 is said<<: for God cannot be tempted with evil>>How can Jesus be God, then? We can rationalize further and further.

C. Yes, I myself cant understand it but we have to accept it blindly.

M. Is it not contradicting the Bible itself which says that you have to prove it (I Thessalonians 5:21): <<Prove all things; hold fast that which is good>>.

C. Its really confusing.

M. But I Corinthians 14:33 says: <<For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints>>.

Doctrines made by men create confusion.

M. Is Jesus Son of God.

C. Yes.Read in Matthew 3:17, when Jesus was baptized by John: <<And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased>>.

M. You should not accept the word Son literally, because many Prophets and we people are called in the Bible also, sons and children of God.Read Exodus 4:22.

C. <<And thou [Moses] shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the Lord, Israel is my son, even my firstborn>>.

M. Here is Jacob (Israel) His firstborn son. Read now II Samuel 7:13-14 or I Chronicles 22:10.

C. <<He [Solomon] shall build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom for ever. I will be his father and he shall be my son>>.

M. It will be confusing if you read Jeremiah 31:9: <<I am father to Israel and Ephraim is my firstborn>>.In Exodus 4:22 just now, Israel was called firstborn, too. Who is now the real firstborn? Israel or Ephraim? Common people can be children of God; read Deuteronomy 14:1.

C. <<Ye are the children of the Lord your God.

M. Common people can also be called firstborn; read Romans 8:29.

C. <<For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn of many brethren>>.

M. If all are firstborn, what is Jesus then?

C. He is the only begotten Son of God.

M. Long before when Jesus was born, God said to David (Psalm 2:7): << I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me [David], Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee>>.So David is also Gods Son.The meaning of Son of God is not literal but metaphorical. It can be any one who is beloved by God.Jesus also said that God is not only his Father but also your Father (Matthew 5:45,48).

C. <<That ye may be the children of your Father >>;and <<be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect>>.

M. So you will see in many passages in the Bible <<Son of God >> which signifies love and affection, nearness to God, not applied to Jesus alone. You will see sons and daughters of God (II Corinthians 6:18): <<And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty>>. In view of these and other passages in the Bible, there is no reason whatsoever why Jesus should be regarded as Son of God in a literal or unique sense.

C. But he has no father; that is why he is Son of God .

M. Why do you consider Adam then not as Son of God. He lacked both father and mother, and is also called Son of God in Luke 3:38: <<Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God >>. Read Hebrews 7:3.

C. <<Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; adideth a priest continually>>.

M. Who is he? The answer is in Hebrews 7:1: <<Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham>>He is more unique than Jesus or Adam.Why is he not preferred to be the son of God or God himself?

C. What do you call Jesus then?

M. We Muslims call him Jesus the son of Mary.

C. No one will deny this.

M. Yes, it is simple and nobody can deny it. Jesus called himself Son of man and refused to be called Son of God. Read Luke 4:41.

C. <<And devils also came out of many, crying out, and saying, Thou art Christ the Son of God. And he rebuking them suffered them not to speak: for they knew that he was Christ>>.

M. It is clear here that he refused to be called Son of God. He refused again in Luke 9:20 and 21, and charged them too.

C. <<He [Jesus] said unto them [the disciples], But whom say ye that I am? Peter answering said, The Christ of God. And he straightly charged them, and commanded them to tell no man that thing>>.

M. Jesus who was the expected Messiah, a Prophet, was escalated from teacher to Son of God, Lord, and finally God Himself. Read John 3:2 : <<The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God>>; (John 6:14): << Then those men, when they had seen the miracles that Jesus did, said, This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world>>.Jesus is also called prophet in John 7:40, Matthew 21:11, Luke 7:16 and 24:19.(Acts 9:20): << And straight away he [Paul] preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God>>. (You can conclude from here also that early Christians were still using synagogues, but later when Christianity deviated from the original teaching of Jesus, churches were established.Paul, Barnabas and the gentiles were expelled from the synagogues, as they were accused of blasphemy and pollution. See Acts 13:50,17:18 and 21:28). Luke 2:11: <<For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord>>.John 1:1: <<In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God>>.

M. The Holy Quran states in Surah 4:157 that Jesus was not crucified:<<And their [Jewss] boasting:We killed Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah, but they [Jews] killed him not, nor crucified him>>Do you still believe that he died on the cross?

C. Yes, he died and was then resurrected.

M. We all agree that nobody saw the moment he was resurrected.They found the sepulchre where Jesus was laid down, empty and made the conclusion that he was resurrected because the disciples and other witnesses saw him alie after the alleged crucifixion. Could it not be possible, as the Quran claims that he didnt die on the cross?

C. Where is the proof then?

M. Let us see passages in the Bible supporting this evidence. Do you give me more weight to what Jesus said or to hearsay of the disciples, apostles and other witnesses?

C. Of course more to Jesus himself.

M. That is in accordance with what Jesus said (Matthew 10:24): <<The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his Lord>>.

C. But Jesus himself said that he will rise from the dead (Luke 24:46): <<And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day>>.

M. Suffering is often exaggerated in the Bible and termed <<dead>> as Paul said (I Corinthians 15:31): <<I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ, I die daily>>(i.e. I sufier daily). Here are some of the proofs:
1. On the cross he beseeched God for help (Matthew 27:46): <<My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? >>.And in Luke 22:42: <<Saying, Father if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done>>. (This cup is the cup of death).
2. Jesus prayer not to die on the cross was accepted by God, according to Luke, Hebrews and James. Then how could he still die on the cross (Luke 22:43): <<And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him>>.It means that an angel assured him that God would not leave him helpless. (Hebrews 5:7): <<Who in the days of his flesh, when he [Jesus] had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared>>.
Jesus prayers were here heard, which means answered in a positive
way by God. (James 5:16): <<The effectual fervent prayer of a
righteous man availeth much>>. Jesus himself said (Matthew 7:7-10):
<<Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall
be opened unto you; For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that
seeketh findeth, and to him who knocketh it shall be opened.Or what man is
there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? Or if he
ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? >>If all Jesus prayers were accepted
by God, including not to die on the cross, how could he still die on the cross
then?
3. His legs were not broken by the Roman soldiers (John 19:32-33): <<Then
came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was
crucified with him. But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead a
already, they brake not his legs>>.Can you rely on these soldiers for
pronouncing the death, or did they want to save Jesus as they found him
innocent?
4. If Jesus died on the cross, his blood would clot and no blood would gush
out of his body when his side was pierced. But the Gospel states that blood
and water came out; (John 19:34): <<But one of the soldiers with a spear
pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water>>.
5. When the Pharisees asked Jesus for a sign of his true mission he answered
(Matthew 12:40): <<For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the
whales belly, so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth>>.Disregard now the time factor, which was also not
three days and three nights but one day (Saturday, daytime only) and two
nights(Friday night and Saturday night). Was Jonas alive in the belly of the
whale?

C. Yes.

M. Was Jonas still alive when he was vomited out of the belly of the whale?

C. Yes.

M. Then Jesus was still alive as he prophesied.
6. Jesus himself stated that he didnt die on the cross.Early Sunday morning Mary Magdalene went to the sepulchre , which was empty. She saw somebody standing who looked like a gardener. She recognized him after conversation to be Jesus and wanted to touch him. Jesus said (John 20:17): << Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father>> <<Touch me not>>, perhaps because the fresh wound would hurt him. <<I am not yet ascended to my Father>>, means that he was still alive, not dead yet, because if somebody dies, then he goes back to the Creator. This was the strongest proof admitted by Jesus himself.
7. After the alleged crucifixion the disiples thought that he was not the same Jesus in body but spiritualized, because resurrected bodies are spiritualized.
C. Interruption. How could you be sure that resurrected bodies are spiritualized?

M. That is what Jesus himself said in the Bible: that they are equal to angels.

C. Where in the Bible?

M. In Luke 20:34-36: <<And answering said unto them, the children of the world marry, and are given in marriage. But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and then resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection>>.
The Jesus convinced them by letting them touch his hands and feet, that he was the same person. As they could not believe him yet, he asked for meat to show them that he still ate like any living individual. Read Luke 24:36-41: <<And as they [the disciples] thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. But they were terrified and frightened, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. And he said unto them, why are ye troubled? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hand and his feet. And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? And they gave him a piece of broiled fish, and of a honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them>>.


8. If you still believe that he died on cross, then he was a false Prophet and accursed of God according to these passages: (Deuteronomy 13:5): <<And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death>>;(Deuteronomy 21:22-23): <<And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree: His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance>>.
To believe in his death on the cross is to discredit his prophethood. The Jews maintained to have killed Jesus on the cross and consequently portrayed him to be false in his claim to prophethood. Christians believe in the crucifixion necessary for their redemption of sin and consequently have to accept the accursedness of Jesus, too. This Christian belief opposes the Bibles teaching in Hosea 6:6: <<For I desired mercy ad not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings>>. It also opposes Jesus own teaching (Matthew 9:13): <<But go ye and learn what that meaneth. I will have mercy, and not sacrifice>> Again Jesus said (Matthew 12:7): <<But if ye had known what this meaneth, Iwill have mercy and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless>>.

C. Why do people believe in the resurrection then?


M. It was Paul who taught the resurrection (Acts 17:18): <<And some [Jews] said, What will this babbler say? Other some, He [Paul] seemeth to be a setter forth of strange gods: because he preached unto them Jesus, and the resurrection>>. Paul, who never saw Jesus, also admitted that the resurrection was his gospel (II Timothy 2:8): <<Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel>>. He was also the first who declared Jesus as Son of God(Acts 9:20): <<And straightway he [Paul] preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God>>.
So Christianity is not a teaching of Jesus but of Paul.

C. But Mark (16:19) mentioned that Jesus was raised up to heaven and sat on the right hand of God: << So the after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God>>.

M. As I told you under the discussion of the Holy Bible that Mark 16, verses 9-20, were expunged in certain Bibles. See remark in the Revised Standard Version, the New American Standard Bible ad the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures of the Jehovahs Witnesses Church. If you still believe that Jesus is divine because he was raised up to heaven, why dont you accept other Prophets as divine who were also raised up to heaven?


C. Who were they?

M. Elijah (II Kings 2:11-12): <<and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. And Elisha saw it, and he criedAnd he saw him no more>> Also Enoch was taken by God to heaven (Genesis 5:24): <<And Enoch walked with God; and he was not; for God took him>>. This was also repeated in Hebrews 11:5: <<By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God translated him; for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God>>.

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